Thore Simensen Grue

   Another name for Thore was Thore Simenson Grue.

  Research Notes:

1. Source: 1865 Norway Census has the family (Simon Thoresen Grue) living on Bakkene farm in the Røros Parish, however, Thore's "home" parish is listed as Tolgen whereas Cornelius and Oline's "home" parish is listed as Rørass; therefore, family living in the Røros area prior to 1858

2. Source: Norway's Young Men's Roll - lists birth as Nygaard, Tolga (father Simen Thoresen). ... ... ...

3. Digitalarkivet - Baptism - Tolga/Os Parish Register, 1853

- name recorded as Thore Simensen Øvorsjödal - generally this would mean the farm name; Øvre means upper or higher, jord means land, dal, means valley - so upper land of the valley ... on Nygaard farm (see #2 above - birth as Nygaard??? - this is in the Tufsingdalen area and may have been a part of the Narjordet district; about 7-10 kms east of the western shore of Korssjøen Lake; this is also about 15 kms north of the Narbuvoll area );
BUT: there is another Nygård (Nygaard) farm in the Holøydal area and near Øversjødalen area and about 1 km away from the Røstbakken farm; also near Sonmør farm etc. There is a Larsgarden here also, but "our Larsgarden" is in the Tufsingdalen area. Øversjødalen - near Øversjøen Lake, Hedmark; I have Olava Røstbakken as being born at Øversjødalen, with the Røstbakken farm in Øversjødalen

- Witnesses: Marit Olsdatter Movoll, Karen Olsdatter Narjord (Kari Olsdtr Røstbakken, born 1836 - Olava's sister?), Esten Toresen Gruva (Grue), Tobias Torgers. Movoll, Embrit Toresen Gruva (Grue)
- Thore's birth is about 4 months after his parents marriage; he is recorded in the Norway Parish Registers as legitimate since his parents were married before his birth, but clearly he was conceived before marriage - this is not uncommon

3. Source: Digitalarkivet; Ministerialbok (1860-1878), Røros, Sør-Trondelag

- lists Thore Simonsen Grue, confirmation; - Konfirmerte, page 196, line 12, recorded 7 June 1868; parents Simon Thoreson Grue and Olava Olsdatter Røstbakken (note - parents left the parish on 3 March 1868 -- however, not sure of the source for this specific date - 8 Aug 2010)
- lists Thore Simonsen Grue, age 15 1/2, leaving parish for America, date March 1869 (day appears 12? 18?); Utflyttede, page 510
NOTE: See point #4 below - Nels Grue Booklet says he was confirmed 7 July -- this would be incorrect


4. Source: Emigrants from Trondheim

- listed as registered on 18 Mar 1869 on the ship SS Norway on route to Newcastle, England

from Norway Heritage

SS Norway - date: 18 March 1869 - Trondheim-Christiansund-Aalesund-Bergen-Newcastle (and then the date 24 June 1869
- notation: "Separate route", and then
- There were 77 emigrants and a load of pyrite ore onboard. All emigrants by agent Hendrichsen for the Allan Line (Morgenbladet)"
--
This is the same boat as the Mikkel N Prestlien family traveled on, so possibly this was the only boat leaving "quickly" or the cost was cheaper than other boats or the cost of waiting for another boat (not clear on by they took they more roundabout round

- NOTE: they likely took a train to Liverpool:
the following is a post by Martin Johnsson (17 Jan 2017) on the Facebook group, "Swedish American Genealogy"
"I think by London they [referencing a family from Värmland] may mean Hull/Grimsby a few hours northeast of London. Not ruling out London as such, I would say that of the Swedes that emigrated through England, much more then 90% went to Hull/Grimsby and then train to Liverpool where they boarded the liners. Most waiting was in Liverpool but I have seen stories of people waiting in Hull as well. London never had a good harbour for larger vessels ...
"

+++ Quebec Passenger Lists - Thore Siminson is not indexed, not on scan/view of Peruvian, Austrian, Rjukan, (arrivals in 1869) [ 06 July 2009 ]
Nestorian arrival 19 July 1869 [ 7 Feb 2010 ]

=== BUT, re: Anders M Prestlien

29 Nov 1919 - Alien Certificate US Dept of Labor - Ancestry.com arriving at Seattle (Head Tax) 1917-1924 [ National Archives and Records Administration; Washington, D.C.; Certificates of Head Tax Paid by Aliens Arriving at Seattle from Foreign Contiguous Territory; ARC Number: 4499105; Record Group Title: Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1787 - 2004; Record Group Number: 85; Series Number: M1365; Roll Number: 3. ]; accessed 9 Aug 2014

- Andres M Prestlien, age 57, native of Norway, arrived in US in 1869 at Portland Maine
- designation as Stanwood, WA - Taar .... ??? [ series of numbers ]
- entered US via .... ??? series of numbers
- Surrendered at Blaine


=== BUT, re: Iver M Prestlien;

[ 6 Sep 2017: See his computer file folder, re: US Border Crossings; 1914 and 1925 === Iver arrived in North
America in Apr 1869 at Portland ME aboard the SS Moravian ; BUT actual: landing Boston ]



NOTE: arrrival in 1869 at Portland, ME [ 10 Aug 2014 ]

Ancestry.com ;; U.S., Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959 data [name changes
- only 3 possible places in 1869 - Massachusettes and Rhode Island - nothing by first names
- no list of 1869 for Maine, Portland ;; SS Moravian [4 Sep 2017]
- http://www.mainegenealogy.net/passenger_search.asp nothing for 1869 and then directs to Ancestry


- this appears to indicate that a list of passengers for 1869 is not available or does not exist for any port in Maine

Implication - If Anders and Iver both arrived in Apr 1869 at Portland, ME, OR traveled on to Boston, MA. Then it is reasonable to also conclude that Thore S Grue arrived in the US at Portland, ME [or Boston] and from there made their way to Waterloo Ridge and then later to Otter Tail Co, MN. The Mikkel Prestlien family and Thore S Grue are recorded on the Emigrants from Throndheim database with date of registration as 18 Mar 1869 on the ship SS Norway (along with others - ie, Sigrid Marie Prestlien/Nygaard/Svensen family and the John Engebretsen family)

- the route they followed is not clear: (1) using the Grand Trunk Railway connection to Montreal and then ending up later at Port Huron ON and then a boat across to Chicago and then overland; (2) possibly, overland at Portland ME to Lake Champlain and through the Erie Canal to Lake Erie to Detroit and overland to Chicago and west ??


NOTE: in 1881, Ingeborg Thoresdatter Broen, nee Grue (b 1821] and her son Thore and daughter Tina left Norway in 1881 and they also landed at Portland, ME [see her research notes]





5. Source: Nels Thoreson Grue, booklet, "Historical Record of the Thore Grue Family" (written about 1978)

- reports that "my father was born at Røros, Norway" [ but this is incorrect - Thore S Grue was born in Tolga parish, Hedmark Co ]
- father remained in Norway (parents emigrated in 1868) "to complete his confirmation instruction. He was confirmed on July 7, 1868 in the church at Røros"
- Thore purchased in 1876 "one-half section of land in Grant Co, MN a few miles NW from the town of Wendell"
- Marriage, 1881 Tordenskjold Lutheran Church (?? - this isn't likely, since marriage cert was from Clay Co - more likely at Solem Lutheran Church, Eglon Twp, Clay Co)
- 1894 - sold the farm and emigrated to Canada; travelled with his parents by train from Winnipeg to Calgary and then to Wetaskiwin; from there by wagon to the homestead in what is now the Armena District, AB

Source: www.mnplaces.mnhs.org (Grant County) WENDELL, a city in Stony Brook Township, platted in July 1889 and incorporated on March 3, 1904, as a village, received its name from the railway officials when the road was being built, with the location of a depot there in 1887. It was possibly named for Joseph H. Wendell, a judge in Wright County. Its post office began in 1887 with John A. Beck as first postmaster in his store. It is also the name of a town in Massachusetts and a village in North Carolina.

STONY BROOK Township, first settled in 1870, organized July 30, 1877, derived its name from the small Stony Brook and Lake in its north part, which are headwaters of Mustinka River.

6. Source: Oscar Thoreson Grue, booklet, "the Life Story and Pioneer Life in Armena, AB" (written 1972)

- reports he was born "in the vicinity of Elbow Lake, MN"
- reports the "family lived in Herford, MN the year 1892-1893, and then came with my parents the 17 May 1894 to what is Armena, now."

Source: www.mnplaces.mnhs.org (Grant County) HEREFORD, a village in section 6, Elbow Lake Township, and section 1, North Ottawa, was platted in September 1887. The history of the county notes the origin of this name as follows: "In 1886, when the railroad was about to establish a station at this point, it was the intention to call the place Culbertson, in honor of the man who owned a tract of land there, but the modest man said that if they wished to compliment him in any way to call the place 'Hereford, after his beautiful herd of white-faced cattle kept on his farm, Hereford Park,' near Newman, Illinois. Accordingly the place was so christened." The breed of cattle came from a county so named in western England. The village had a post office, 1888-1923, formerly at Ireland, and a station of the Great Northern Railway.

Source: www.mn2020.org; reports that Hereford MN is a "ghost town" - "A cornfield now covers most of what was Hereford, in Grant County, Minn"; a photo of a marker "Hereford Cemetery (Church of God)";

Source: www.mngs.org/cemeteries/grant.shtml; Hereford Cemetery - West of Wendell on Highway 55 for 2 miles. South for 1-1/2 miles.

Also see: Oscar's research page for comments on travelling across prairies [from his pdf]



7. Source: 1901 Canada Census; North West Territory, Alberta District, Pretty Hill Sub-District [schedule 1, page 1]


- NOTE: family name is misspelled as Ghore
- gives day, month, and year of birth - most of the days and months are different from previous family records
- Lars is listed as Lewis, birth as 12 August 1886; HOWEVER, birth certificate states 2 Aug 1887 (issued by Grant Co, MN, with the date of filing as 4 Jan 1888)

- on the schedule #2 (Buildings and Lands, Churches, Schools) for NW quarter of Sec 12, Twp 48, Range 21 [line 10]: number of families in house is 1, number of rooms in house is 3, number of dwellings 1 -- number of barns, sheds, outhouse - none (small line - liking indicating nothing or none) - grand total of acres (Real Estate owned) is 160



8. Source: Western Land Grants, 1870-1930 (www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy)

- homestead: NW¼, section 12, twp 48, range 21 (Armena, AB); (date title issued - letters patent: 23 Dec 1902)

Homestead file: Reel: 2079; file 659070; images 80 - 87
- entry: 9 Jun 1894; house Jun 1894 - myself, wife, 5 boys and 2 girls
- patent application, 4 Jul 1902,
supported by Ole T Movold and Martin Steen
- patent 16 Sep 1902


*** NOTE: see the photo re Halsten B Lomnes [folder, yy-added Jan/Feb 2023-zz-families emigrated to Armena - Lomnes family; the photo was taken around 1910 and shows the growth height and density of trees in the area.
[folder, as of 14 Feb 2023]
[Harald Bakke FT. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/463703/person/-1456477190/facts]


Alberta Homestead Index, [post?] 1930 -- www.abgensoc.ca ^{72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81}

  Noted events in his life were:

1. Confirmation - 1868, 7 Jun 1868, Røros, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway. ⁸²

2. Migration - 1869, 13 Mar 1869, Røros, Sør Trondelag, Norway. ⁸³ Leaving Røros parish for America

3. Migration - 1869, 18 Mar 1869, Trondhiem, Norway. ⁸⁴ Recorded on the Emigrants from Trondheim database on the ship SS Norway on route to Newcastle, England. From he would have sailed to Quebec, Canada and then travel by water and land to Waterloo Ridge, Iowa where his parents Simen T Grue and Olava were.

4. Land - 1884: Lot 3, SW Sec 28, Twp 132 N, Range 41: Tordenskjold Twp, Otter Tail Co, Minnesota, United States. ^85,86

5. Land Purchase - 1876: NW, SW 1/4 of NE and E 1/2 and Lots 3 & 4 of SW, Sec 19, Twp 130, Range 43, W 5th; Land Deeds, 1876, Stony Brook Twp, Grant Co, Minnesota, United States. ⁸⁷

6. Land Purchase - 1878, 1878, Tordenskjold Twp, Otter Tail Co, Minnesota, United States. ⁸⁸ Minnesota, Vol 74, image 218 of 256; Pre-emption Land purchase dated 19 Sept 1878; Lot 3 Sec 28, Twp 132N, Range 41W of 5th Meridian (Tordenskjold Twp, Otter Tail Co, MN); 29.75 acres with price of $74.38 (receipt #1919). Name recorded is "Thore Simensen". Above Simen T Grue's line and name (in smaller handwriting) is "D.S 1749 [?] SE of NW, Thore Simensen July 2 and Sept 13, 1870". I am not clear on the meaning of this, but I believe that Thore had declared as early as 22 Jul 1870, his intention (or perhaps his father's intention) for a filing for a homestead for this land.

7. Residence - 1885, 1 May 1885, Stony Brook Twp, Grant Co, Minnesota, United States. ⁸⁹

8. Migration - 1894: Arrived at 2 AM, 17 May 1894, Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁰

9. Residence - 1899, 1899, Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹¹

10. Residence - 1901, 31 Mar 1901, Pretty Hill district (Armena), Alberta, Canada. ⁹²

11. Land - 1901: CPR Land Sales purchase, 3 June 1901 - SW Sec 13, Twp 48, Range 21, W4th: Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹³

12. Homestead - 1903: He received the letters patent on 23 Dec 1903 for NW quarter, Sec 12, Twp 48, Range 21, W 4th: Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁴

13. Land - 1903: He purchased 480 acres on Sec 8, Twp 48, Range 20, W 4th - N half of Sec 8 (NE and NW quarters) and the SE quarter: Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁵

14. Residence - 1906, 1906, Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁶

15. Residence - 1911, 1 Jun 1911, Armena, Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁷

16. Residence - 1916, 1916, Victoria District (Armena), Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁸

17. Residence - 1921, 1 Jun 1921, Hay Lakes, Alberta, Canada. ⁹⁹ Simon Grue (son) farm - Sec 32, Twp 48, Range 21, W 4th

18. Land - 1928: Homestead in the Whitecourt area - Sec 31, Twp 59, Range 10, W 5th, 1928, Whitecourt, Alberta, Canada. ¹⁰⁰

Thore married Berit Sophie Larsdtr Mikkelson, daughter of Lars (Syl) Mikkelsen and Beret Sofie Mikkelsdtr Midtdal, on 16 Feb 1881 in Clay Co, Minnesota, United States ^63,64.^,76 (Berit Sophie Larsdtr Mikkelson was born on 12 Sep 1861 in Røros, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway ¹⁰¹, baptized on 6 Oct 1861 in Røros, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway,¹⁰¹ died on 23 Jul 1952 in Camrose, Alberta, Canada and was buried on 27 Jul 1952 in Scandia Cemetery, Armena, Alberta, Canada ^71,102.)