Måns Jönsson

  Research Notes:

1. Residence [ written, 23 Dec 2018]

Måns Jönsson's death record records that he (and his family) came to Rullbo (then a part of Ytterhogdal parish) in 1769. Where was he living prior to 1769?

On DISBYT family databases, both Stefan Simander (id 1548; update, 26 Sep 2008) and Karl-Erik Gustavsson (id 8473; updated 29 Feb 2016) record his marriage in 1763 at Sveg parish and that their daughter Kerstin Månsdotter was born in 1764 at Ytterhogdal parish. However, the Ytterhogdal parish records from 1785 -1813 do not record her birth parish. Måns Jönsson's wife, Kerstin Jönsdotter was born in Överhogdal parish in 1730, but there are no household records in Överhogal prior to 1808 and no surviving records for Sveg parish (although there is a partial record for the years 1791-1806 with the next volume starting in 1860.

Stefan Simander notes that Måns Jönsson was living in Älvros parish in 1751. However, the earliest volume of household records at Älvros is 1829 and thus, there is no way to collaborate this.

Conclusion: Måns Jönsson was born at the farm Vallen (Bynallen) in Sveg parish in 1728. He moved to the farm Rullbo (then part of Ytterhogdal parish, later a part of Los parish) in 1769 and lived there until he died in 1816. No other family researchers have noted other residences.

Where did he live from about the time of the death of his father in 1743 to the time he moved to Rullbo in 1769, a span of about 26 years? At this point, it is not possible to determine.


2. Did Måns Jönsson have other children? I have only been able to determine one daughter, Kerstin Månsdotter (b 1764). It is likely he had other children, but at this point, it is not possible to determine (there are no surviving parish records since they likely were stored in Sveg (even though there was a time that there was a combined adminstrative parish of Sveg, Lillhärdal, and Älvros, and for awhile Linsell, but none have records for the above time fram.




3. Ytterhogdal parish, deaths C:3, page 397, no 4 ; place of death Rullbo [ 16 Feb 2018 ]

The death records provides a lot of information. It records Måns Jönsson's birth on 12 Jan 1728 and it notes his birth was in Sveg och Vallen. This usually would mean the parish, but I can't find such a parish (through google search or from familysearh)*. There is a parish named Sveg, but the records from the Sveg parish were lost in a fire some time in the 1860's. The above death record also records Måns Jönsson's parents who were Jöns Halvarsson (Bonden - farmer; and Riksdagen ?, maybe means part of Swedish Parliament ?? ] and Kjerstin Halvarsdotter [ baptised ...?]. Måns Jönsson was married in 1763 to Kjerstin Jonsdotter from Överhogdal parish (this might be a part of Ytterhogdal parish, although in later years they are separate (Hogdal ???); but their marriage is not recorded in the Ytterhogdal or Överhogdal parish parish records. This also notes that Måns Jönsson and his family came to Rullbo in 1769. The records notes that he died of old age, at the age of 88½ years.

I have looked at Överhogdal parish - there is a volume for marriages to include 1763, but look through the pages (hard to read handwriting and seemingly unorganized record) I can't find any marriages for 1763. I also can't find a birth record in 1728 for Måns Jönsson.

*Arkivdigital does not list a separate "Sveg och Vallen". The priest may be referring to a "farm or village of Vallen within Sveg". I am not sure where Vallen is. In 2018, there are some streets that contain Vallen. There also is a place/community called "Byvallen" which is across the Ljusnan River from the town of Sveg, and about 2 kms further east following highway 'E45' [source, Kartsök och ortnamn - kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se]. This is likely the place name mention in some family researchers database and would fit with the one partial Church household record for Sveg Parish [Sveg (W, Z) AI:1 (1791-1806) Image 720 / Page 109; Byn, gård]


2. DISBYT Stefan Simander (id 01548)
Last updated: 2008-09-26
Email: simander@hotmail.com
Web address: http://www.freewebs.com/simander
http://hem.bredband.net/b633984/simanderskapalatset/ [first accessed 23 Nov 2018; latest, 17 Apr 2020]
[ with our family, http://hem.bredband.net/simander2/simanderskapalatset/rasmus/rmormor.htm ] ;
[ RASMUS MORMOR ELISABET ALMEGÅRDS ANOR ]
- note that Stefan Simander on his webpages indicates that some of the information of the family is from Torbjörn Näs

Family card of MÅNS JÖNSSON [ from Disbty; search name and Ytterhogdal parish ]

JÖNS HALVARSSON
b 1690 Sveg, Jämtlands län, living 1743 Sveg, Jämtlands län;
d 1743 Stockholm, Stockholms län; buried 1743 Sankt Olof, Stockholms län;
KERSTIN HALVARSDOTTER
child(ren) born 1718 Sveg, Jämtlands län (clicking on Jöns Halvarsson) - Halvar Jönsson b 1718 [ ** point 3; then point 4 ], married 1750 to Anna Persdotter and he died 1801, all at Sveg; and he a son, Per Halvarsson b 1756 and d 1824 at Sveg [
child(ren) born 1728 Sveg, Jämtlands län (son Måns);

MÅNS JÖNSSON
b 1728 Sveg, Jämtlands län. living 1751 Älvros, Jämtlands län;
m 1763 Sveg, Jämtlands län
d 1816 Ytterhogdal, Jämtlands län Married toKERSTIN JÖNSDOTTER
b 1730 Överhogdal, Jämtlands län ; d 1818 Ytterhogdal, Jämtlands län ;
KERSTIN MÅNSDOTTER
b 1764 Ytterhogdal, Jämtlands län

this tree continues to Kerstin Månsdotter (b 1764) married to Jonas Andersson (1750-1821), but records only one son, Jöns Jonsson, b 1789 and down to his daugther, Kerstin Jönsdotter (1820-1896) and then her 4 children, and with continues with increasing detail to Kerstin Halvarsdotter (b 1853) and married to Hans Andersson (the photographer) - apparantly they had 7 children, but I don't know the Stefan Simander's connection;
I made a snip of the family data, and as of 23 Nov 2018, saved in "Z-new folder"


DISABYT: another tree,
Karl-Erik Gustavsson; Last updated: 2016-02-29 ; Email: kegus@telia.com

BUT doesn't name any siblings to Måns Jonsson b 1816;

BUT his tree connects to "our" Anders Jonsson (1787-1818) and son Jon Andersson (b 1819) -- no date of death; likely Karl-Erik Gustavsson's family decends from a brother to our Jon Andersson (b 1819), Magnus Andersson b1835)



3. geni.com ;; managed: Anders Jonzon, update 26 Nov 2014; but then other 'private users' 30 Oct 2014
https://www.geni.com/people/J%C3%B6ns-Halvarsson/315906901700002897

- this FT, says that Jöns Halvarsson (b 1690) was married twice. His first wife was Kerstin Halvarsdotter or possibly Svensdotter and that she is the mother to Halvar Jönsson b 1718. His second wife was Kirsten Jönsdotter born 2 Mar 1730, and that she was the mother of Måns Jönsson. Thus, Måns Jönssson and Halvar Jönsson were half-brothers: BUT this is not supported by Måns Jönsson's death record - see point 1

4. Halvar Jönsson b 1718 [ from above ] married 1750 to Anna Persdotter and he died 1801, all at Sveg; and he a son, Per Halvarsson b 1756 and d 1824 at Sveg

Sveg (W, Z) deaths/burials FF:1 (1751-1870) Image 50 ; I didn't translate the page, but it seems that this volume is a transcription of some documents etc and summarizes death/burials for the years 1751-1870; it is typed and thus a transcription so there could be errors;
[ 25 Nov 2018; viewed years to the end of 1809 page 42 - nothing of interest BUT starting image 930, is an alphabetical listing of deaths from 1751-1870, with an efternamn register; and image 1490 a förnamn register ]

but Halvar Jönsson [Halfwar] died 7 Jul 1801, age 83 yrs <1718> from Vallen

ALSO: partial Husförhörs: "Byn och Fågeljsö, 1784-1799", image 680

Sveg (W, Z) AI:1 (1791-1806) Page 109; place is recorded Byn, gård 7 [ Byn = village ?; Sveg Village? ]

bond, Halfvar Jönsson born 1718 married 1750 to Anna Pehrsdotter b 1724
son, Jöns Halfvarsson, b 1760
son, Pehr Halfvarsson, b 1763
son, Halfvar Halfvarsson, b 1765
daughter, Karin Halfvarsdotter, b 1757
* then daughter, Kjerstin Halfvarsdotter, b 175-; the last digit looks like 1757 - but is most likely 1751 (see p 135,
yrs,1799-1804)
she is married married to Lars Larsson b 1746 (but the next line, has Halvar Neilsson ???)
Lars Larsson b 1746, died 20 May 1806 at Vallen (Byn nr 17) [Sveg (W, Z) FF:1 Page 38]
- below this line, efterl. Kerstin Halfvarsdotter samt., then on the
next line 'sönerna', Jöns, Lars och Halfvar
and, Kerstin Halfvarsdotter, b 1751 died 1839 at age 88; Vallen (Byn nr 17)
- 'sönerna', Jöns, Lars, Måns och Per Larssöner' Sveg (W, Z) FF:1 (1751-1870) Page 60
then Kjerstin (b 1751) son, Jöns Larsson b 1777
then her daughter, Segri Larsddotter b 1780
then her son, Halfvar Larsson, b 1784
then her son, Lars Larsson, b 1786 (see 145, yrs 1799-1804; he is recorded as drang)
** see DISBYT
then her son, Swen, b 1789 [crossed off]
then her son, Per Larsson b 1793
then her son, Måns Larsson , b 1795

But Kjertsin Halvarsdotter b 1751 and Lar Larsson b 1746 are recorded at gård 7, p 135, Byn 1799-1804
also in this page, fadr Halvar Jönsson b 1718, died 1801; then modr Anna Pehrsdotter, born 1724 [ Anna died, 17 Feb 1811 at age 87; Sveg (W, Z) FF:1 (1751-1870) Page 42


- another sister, ?? at Byn, page 115 -- Karin Jönsdotter b 1708?


** DISBYT for Lars Larsson b 1786 (owner Benny Strand, 31 Oct 2018; id 41584) [ Lars Larsson b 1786 was the son of Kjerstin Halvarsdotter b 1751 and Lars Larsson, b 1746, and the grandson of Halvar Jönsson, b 1718 ]
- died in Lit parish, Jämtland (at one time, this was a part of Sveg)
in 1835 [ Lit (Z) C:3 (1804-1852) Image 2360 / Page 229] = actual 20 Feb 1835 at Ringsta
- married to Anna Gabrielsdotter b 1785 and died 1835 [ died 15 Jun ' Lit (Z) C:3 (1804-1852) Page 228
children: (all born in Lit; also known as Liths ]
Karin Larsdotter b 1811 m 1837 and died 1892
Per Larsson b 1826, died 1827
Kerstin, b 1828
Per b 1830


4. Land at Rullbo; [ access 7 Feb 2019 ]

link, https://archive.org/details/arkivkopia.se-lms-V33-41.4
But first you can 'search' farms from this link, https://arkivkopia.se/sak/lms-V33-41:4 ;; and by clicking on the left side "Internetarkivet" - this links to the archive.org page. Click and then zoom, but it is a bit difficult to navigate since there is only one 'zoom' level.
- some background information, but the name "Måns Jönsson" is noted

this may be the same as the maps through the Sweden archives, Riksarkivet ^8003,8004

  Noted events in his life were:

1. Residence, 1769-1816, 1769-1816, Ytterhogdal, Jämtland län, Sweden. ⁸⁰⁰⁵ Farm: Rullbo. Måns Jönsson's death record (Ytterhogdal, C:3 page 397 no 4) records that he and his wife/family came to Rullbo in 1769. The earliest household records (AI:2, 1785-1793, page 56) records Måns, his wife, and daughter and son-in-law at the farm Rullbo. Subsequent household records show he continued to live at Rullbo until his death in 1816 (AI:3, p 78; AI:4, p 91; AI:5, p 99); his wife died in 1816.

However, it is not clear where Måns lived prior to 1769. His death record says that his wife, Kerstin Jönsdotter was from Overhogdal parish, but the earliest household record for Overhogdal parish is 1808

2. Death - 1816, 1816, Ytterhogdal, Jämtland län, Sweden. ⁸⁰⁰² Location: Rullbo (see research notes).

Måns married Kerstin Jönsdotter, daughter of Jöns Pålsson and Kerstin Jönsdotter, in 1763 in Ytterhogdal, Jämtland län, Sweden.⁸⁰⁰² (Kerstin Jönsdotter was born on 26 Sep 1730 in Överhogdal, Jämtland, Sweden ^8006,8007 and died on 11 Oct 1818 in Ytterhogdal, Jämtland län, Sweden ⁸⁰⁰⁶.)

  Noted events in their marriage were:

1. Marriage, 1763, 1763, Jämtland län, Sweden. Måns Jönsson (b 1728) and Kerstin Jönsdotter (b 1730) place of marriage is uncertain. Most likely they were married in Sveg parish where Måns was born. However, their marriage in Sveg cannot be confirmed since prior to 1860, the Sveg parish records were destroyed. Although Kerstin was born in Överhogdal parish, their marriage is not recorded in the marriage book (C:1) for Överhogdal. This is the same case in the Ytterhogdal parish marriage book (C:2, 1722-1764). It should be noted the distances between these parishes is not very great.